episode thirty-four: the final show

My own interrogation: I am a solo quarantiner, in limbo in my homeland. I lived in NYC for thirteen years, with a foot out the door for the last couple, and rode the Corona wave out. I had no idea I’d be here this long, and though I plan on moving to LA (typical, I know), it is tricky to set a date given our current global and national situation. I am fortunate in that I have a place to stay (currently leaving an incredible house-sitting situation to be in a studio apt below my parents, a generous, yet complex hot-bed I don’t want to lay in for too long). I’ve had trouble figuring out how to operate here moving forward, given the fact that I do truly want to leave, and don’t want to get so rooted that it’s harder to eventually pack up and shift gears.

Since I’ve been here, I’ve worked with a local queer activist org, rekindled old friendships, started a new one, lived mainly without touch (INSANE!!!), given several zoom performances, and done my best to stay sane, grateful, and alive. I’ve been thinking a lot about the alternative title to “Dr. Strangelove,” “...or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb,” only have been replacing the last phrase with, “ and Love Limbo.” How to root in the liminal? How to honor the gifts and stay present, participatory in life and relationships, when leaving is looming? How to decide when to leave during such a charged and unruly moment
— Anonymous caller
I think I’ve been asking, how do I keep routines that center me? So like my morning pages, calling friends, doing online exercise videos, staying in touch with my recovery zoom meetings, really making sure that to the best of my ability I’m still doing all the things that keep me in my center. I almost said, bring me joy, but I don’t know if those things bring me joy as much as keep me on the beam. When we’re in the liminal space it’s ok to not be able to fully access joy and pleasure and abundance as much as, it’s ok to be like, ok, I’m in the right now. The right now is uncomfortable and that’s ok.
— Marlee Grace

I am a new small business owner, solely marketing through Instagram. Inspired by your social media hiatus and in light of more noticing in recent weeks, I would like to rely less on the app and begin writing a blog / newsletter type of thing. I want my online presence off of instagram to be an accurate representation of my work. I am a cook who focuses on using only seasonal / local ingredients, investing in community and collaboration. I want to pass on announcements about my business but also recipes, seasonal insights, ideas and inspiration.
My questions are — how do you find a sustainable voice (one that you won’t hate in a year)? Is authenticity the key to building strong readership? How do you combine a range of topics in one newsletter while keeping things cohesive?
— Anonymous caller
You have to trust that there are these time capsules. Any perfectionism that comes up around, “I hope this is still the same in this other time” - it just won’t be. And that’s ok. Speaking from a place of humility and generosity and asking spirit to make you of service is what’s going to make you of maximum benefit and service to others. It’s ok if you don’t like what you say in a year. In terms of combining a range of topics in a newsletter, I’m a chaotic person, I’m a Gemini. I’m a little bit of a tornado person, a minimalist structure that is consistent to put all the chaos in is something that’s helped me. Send a nice picture and link things, have your buttons be the same color. Some consistency. Make segments to the newsletter iek you might hear on a podcast.
— Marlee Grace

I’ve got a question for you. I left a job a few years ago (that I dedicated almost a decade of my life to and it was a job for a nonprofit that I helped build from the ground up). I left to pursue another interest of mine (started my own business), but that quickly fell apart. The last couple years I’ve felt lost as to what I should do professionally or really just what I am meant to do with my life. I still struggle from time-to-time with embarrassment and shame around my business not working out. It’s been almost 3 years...As someone who has started and stopped projects, how do you move forward and not let past failures (not implying that you view them as failures) get you down or stuck in a rut? How do you discover what you’re meant to do with your life? How do you get motivated to try again?
— Anonymous caller

I just started (big breath) my own patreon page aaaaand am currently taking a break from social media! I’m scared! My patreon is an inclusive and nurturing space for folks (especially queer folks) to learn about menstrual cycles and all the wild things hormones get up to. However, I’m scared about next steps and finding an audience, especially without Instagram. It’s been really bringing me down and has me question my ability to be successful on my own without wage-labor/working for others.

So I’m curious about your wisdom with “selling yourself”, finding ways to promote, get paid for the work even in the isolation of pandemic times??? Aaand how you have worked through times (if any) where you felt like your support crew (friends, loved ones, acquaintances) couldn’t, or wouldn’t show up for you in business adventures, due to pandemic or just not understanding the importance of the material?? I’m experiencing a lot of tough feelings because I had so many folks in the past receiving a lot of free emotional labor around their periods from me (I do love talking about cycles)...but now I feel like those folks aren’t showing up for me now that I’ve created a business adventure around this subject. It bums me out, Marlee!
— Anonymous caller
When I put out my most recent book, there were people who said, I’m here for you, I will share this thing with my people. And not only did they not, they couldn’t say, “I can’t”. The old me would have been really mad, really resentful. Today, I’m like, maybe they didn’t like the book. That’s fine too. There’s so many different realities that could be happening on their end that I didn’t know about. Both colleagues and peers. I think I had - and there’s grief. I get to do both and. It stung a little to have certain people either say they were going to do something, or I had my own expectations. Expectations are invitations for resentment. And I do expect something of people who say they’re going to do something. All that to say, it’s also information about where to close the circle. I used to think I could only do that if I was a mean b-word. F-u, I hate you, you’re done, you’re’ dead to me, bye, never talking to you again, and that’s how I closed in the friendship circle. But now I can say, in my heart, many blessings to everyone who couldn’t show up because how could they? And then notice who did. And be like, cool. Now I have a little more information.
— Marlee Grace

What did you learn from doing Friendship Village for 8 months? Did you have a favorite question?
— Anonymous caller
I think I learned that there’s so many through lines with all the questions - they’re all specific, but we all just want to be loved. We all really want to be witnessed, and we all really want to like ourselves, and it’s really hard. It’s hard to be in a human body with a human heart and have it all link up in a way that we can be nice to ourselves. I think that’s such a common thread in all of the questions, is am I doing this right? Am I on time? Is this the right thing? It’s lighter than you think, is a common thought that I have. We’re taking everything so seriously. I think that’s good, we care, and I want a lot more humor and lightness in my days, so I hope I’ve been able to provide a little bit of that for all of you.
— Marlee Grace

episode thirty-three

Resources mentioned

Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport

Las Culturistas and Seek Treatment podcasts

I recently got out of a toxic relationship with someone I loved for many years. This person and I tried to part ways several times over the last year of our relationship, only finally ending the cycle when I decided it was best for us to no longer be in contact in any way. That was a couple of months ago, and since then I met someone new who I am really excited about (my first queer relationship, its been so healthy and I’m learning a TON!). Last week, a friend from the city I used to live in contacted me to say that my ex is spreading some pretty serious things about me throughout our community. While I no longer live there, and my ex does, I can’t stop thinking about how many people might think ill of me in the place I called home for years. I am trying to find a way to balance the new love I have in my life and the pain, fear, and powerlessness I feel in response to the things my ex is doing now. Do you have advice on how to grieve/process this while also making space for someone important and new?
— Anonymous caller
I was just texting a friend last night - there’s no specific situation in my life, but I could feel that feeling coming up in me like, what do other people think of me and how can I control it? This friend said, I always try to remember “who are you and whose are you?” I don’t belong to people who think ill of me. The “whose are you” is like, I belong to my higher power, to my fellows, to my dear friends who see me, even if I have caused harm or not been my best version of self. I want to belong to myself and to others who see me as a being worthy of acceptance and love. Surround yourself with those people.
— Marlee Grace

As an individual who has experienced the particular journey of becoming known on social media as an artist, to now taking an online hiatus, how does online, word-based, biographical copyright play a part in your personal experience as an entrepreneur? What has your journey been with this? Is it doldrum-ish or liberating, both?
— Anonymous caller
What I’m realizing is that proving myself to the world really only existed on the Instagram app which we know is designed to steal and sell our attention. Which is such a bummer. It’s really making other people billionaires and it’s only making me poorer in time and focus, attention, and the creative practice. I have noticed that a lot is trapped in the Instagram space when maybe I should have a blog or an archive of my creative projects instead of having it just live there and now it’s disappeared. I’m like, who am I? Which is both an amazing invitation, to be like “who am I?” And it’s sad, to be like wow, I let so much of the copyright of who I am exist in this thing that I don’t own. And so that’s interesting.
— Marlee Grace

I, like you, am on a break from instagram. For me, it started around 9/18, the weekend after RBG died, during the wildfires on the west coast which were very close to where i live. It just so happened to be perfectly timed with a short road trip I was taking to a place with poor internet, which was helpful because as I impulsively tapped the app every quiet moment, it took long enough to load that i could close it before i saw anything. (truly addictive behavior, I know.) So, my question is this: now that you’re off social, what parameters will you set for yourself before you return? I haven’t gone back on because I don’t want to get back into the bad habits that i’ve really tried to break while I’ve been away. I feel that I need to set a time limit or a following limit or something to keep space for myself with it. To be clear, I only use Instagram as a way to look at things people are making or doing & I very inconsistently post. It is not a part of my personal business or brand, just a means of escapism via looking at pretty pictures.
— Anonymous caller
Do I want to return? Do I want to use it as a tool for my business? Yeah. I really do. I’ve put a lot of energy into it, and a lot of people appreciate me there, which I appreciate in return. And I have tried most of it, I’ve tried to just not look, I’ve tried to put a timer on it, I’ve tried to just truly so many different things. None of them work. So that’s where I’m at, but listen. It’s two weeks into my hiatus, and I committed to four months away. So I’m two weeks in. I committed to four months because I knew I wouldn’t be able to vision returning and using it again until I really took a break. Right now I’m just noticing, noticing how I feel, noticing what it’s like to be without it, I don’t have the plan for the parameters yet.
— Marlee Grace

I question myself a lot. But over the last couple of years I’ve been realizing that I think I love women. I’ve never had a relationship with a woman. I’ve never even kissed a woman. But I want it bad. The thing is, I also have a beautiful, amazing boyfriend whom I deeply love. I don’t want to change our relationship and definitely don’t want him to feel uncomfortable or to doubt my love. I do share my exploration with him and I’ve very open about what I feel and think but I’m also very awkward about it and have a lot to figure out. I wonder, having heard you talk about your marriage in interviews, if you have any advice on how to be open and express who I am and how I feel while caring for my relationship. Best, confused & loving.
— Anonymous caller
We don’t just come out to other people, we come out to ourselves. Which is so beautiful and really complicated. It really depends on what kinds of things you and your partner want to explore in the container of your relationship. It sounds like there’s a beautiful queer future ahead for you. It doesn’t have to be so complicated, there can be abundance in your relationship container. It sounds like you have a really loving and supportive boyfriend, I want to celebrate him today and celebrate you and just say it’s one day at a time, you can celebrate your queerness in your partnership, both of you can celebrate it, and you’ll see what happens as it continues to grow and bloom and emerge.
— Marlee Grace

I am a fellow gemini sun and capricorn moon (though scorpio rising) and I can tend to put CRAZY pressure on myself to have certain things done before I can “enjoy my life” or take a break. I am really wanting to take a holiday for 6 months for the spring and summer from work as a whole. I am a recovering workaholic for context...I have slowly titrated into really cool things in the last year: I’m no longer on social media 24/7 and no longer logging in 12 hours of screen time per day, I have office hours and I have changed up my lifestyle so life costs less so I can work less. I am so proud of myself, but I still feel like I need a total break as a gift to my body after years of adversity. I feel it’s the correct aligned thing I need in my own recovery - I will be 4 years sober on May 21st. But most days I don’t know what to do with the fear about taking a break that I talk myself out of planning for it. Thoughts?
— Anonymous caller
How much do you need to have to live comfortably each of those 6 months? Here’s the thing, if you’re a creative, inventive person, I would imagine that more income streams and answers are going to come to you. That amount saved might be half of what you need every month. So for me, deciding to take that break, mine wasn’t about not working, it was about taking breaks from certain parts of my work, which was oversharing on social media. I needed a break from that. My mind has been able to expand in these other ways creatively that I think naturally will generate income down the line. Asking questions like: what are my priorities, what does taking a break look like, how much do I need to take that break? And the faith that when you jump, the net will be there. That’s been a big theme for me the last couple of weeks. Why do I have such a scarcity mentality, well, the government and the world teaches us that that makes sense. The structures that are not set up to catch us but how can we make sure that the universe and spirit and community will catch us. That has proven to be true for me over and over again.
— Marlee Grace

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My partner recently decided to move out of our tiny studio apartment. Two introvert sharing a small space in pandemic when there are very few third spaces to spend time has been a heavy strain on us. We’re shifting to a new phase of our relationship, which is beginning to feel like the end of our romance, and I’m struggling with crippling loneliness. What do you turn to when you are faced with despair and have trouble finding your steadiness amongst the pain?
— Anonymous Caller
I’m looking for some advice. I’m nonbinary and I’ve been using they/them pronouns for over three years now. I got a new job 10 months ago, and it’s my favorite job I’ve ever had. The folks I work with are progressive and accepting, and for the most part I feel fine being around them. The challenge is that my coworkers get my pronouns wrong every day. I think in the past 10 months I’ve heard my pronouns correctly used just two times. I rarely correct them because that leaves me feeling really worked up and no one I’m working with knows how to receive that kind of correction (they’ll be confused or over-apologetic). I feel like I’m the only one advocating for myself and like I’m not doing a very good job with it. Especially in these pandemic times when my coworkers are some of the only folks I interact with in person, it leaves me feeling pretty downtrodden even though I truly love my job and feel so grateful to be where I am and what I’m doing. Any advice on how I could better advocate for myself?
— Anonymous Caller
I want to acknowledge your experience, I think it’s really normal to not want to correct someone because it’s more tiring and works you up more and takes you out of your headspace while you’re at work. But yet, being misgendered is also taking you out of your headspace. If you love your job, I think there’s a lot of room for growth around how you communicate with other people and advocate for yourself. I think you’re going to be able to shine bright and I believe in you.
— Marlee Grace

I’m super curious about demystifying publishing/self-publishing for myself... could you talk about what your process was getting your first book out there? I was really intrigued when I read it was a zine first! And how about the recent book self-published book from this radio show, what was the process there? Would love any advice you might have on this!”
— Anonymous Caller
If you want to self publish a book, give yourself an hour. Get some snacks, make some tea, and start Googling. Where, locally, can I have something printed? WHat are on-demand print websites? What are the comparisons in price, quality, paper, etc.? Can I print in color or do I want to print in black and white? Opening a fresh Google Doc to really start to write out, this is the title of what I’m writing, these are the bones, the chapter names and then start expanding on the themes. Part of it is just believing that you’re worthy of publishing your work or having your work published.
— Marlee Grace

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Resources mentioned

Esther Perel

Animal Crossing

Hilma af Klint

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What advice would you give to someone who is opening up their relationship while living with their partner? Any specific advice for feelings of anxiety and insecurity related to opening the relationship? What are some ways to navigate codependency with a partner during this time?
— Anonymous Caller
I think it’s ok to tune out, watch some TV, play a video game, do something like that. Part of me is like, draw a bath and meditate, but if your intrusive thoughts are anything like mine around anxious attachment, insecurity, and codependency, sometimes running a bath doesn’t really work for me. There’s also esteemable acts, maybe pick something you know builds your self esteem. For me a lot of insecurity and anxious attachment and how that happens in my partnership is because there’s some little voice in me that’s like, I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough, I’m not XYZ. So if I can connect with esteemable acts - sweeping, cleaning my studio, tasks for me that are hard to get to that I know enhance my quality of life that I avoid, if I can do a couple of those tasks, I start to feel pretty good about myself.
— Marlee Grace

I’ve never been in this position before, not grinding away my 8-5, 40+ hours a week, and now that I’m in my mid-thirties I want to create some space to dig into what brings me joy and fulfillment, discover community and connection, and at some point in the not too distant future, make a decision about how to financially support myself. I’d love to hear your thoughts and recommendations on things I can do to help rest and recover from the burnout, to create some structure to my newfound abundance of time without restructuring or being overly ambitious about doing all of the things with my newfound freedom, which I’m acutely aware is a very real possibility/danger for me. And how to figure out what my next things or things are. Most of all I want to be thoughtful and intentional about this part of my life.
— Anonymous Caller
I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way to do it. You really have to listen to yourself. You’re the only one who knows what’s true for you, and the next thing will come. I was talking to a mentor person in my life today and so often when I try to fix things, I start to hold my grip too tight. Don’t try to over-plan right now. One day at a time, hold a loose grip on your life. There’s a 12-step phrase, wear life like a loose garment. I love that one. It’s like, by just paying attention to what your needs are and doing the things that make you feel good and safe spiritually and emotionally, you’ll get to the other answers.
— Marlee Grace

What are your thoughts on moving through the world as a witch? And as someone who feels things really deeply and sensationally? What are the practices and those thoughts for moving through the world?
— Anonymous Caller
My answer today is like, I feel like my spiritual practice ebbs and flows so intensely and lately my form of witchcraft is building my island on Animal Crossing and being really intentional about how my trees, how I get my fruits and what I craft at my craft station. And I’m lighting my candles, pulling my cards, doing my morning pages. For me right now I think the world is actually asking of us to grant really radical permission to do...it’s not pretty. It’s not a well curated wellness package, it’s not like, I light my candles and make my infusion. I light a candle, then have to watch five episodes of Grey’s Anatomy in a row. Right now it might not look beautiful and how you want it to look.
— Marlee Grace

I just don’t want to make art right now. Part of it is about my relationship to social media, but I’m just not sure how to get inspired in my practice, I’m in a lot of comparison.
— Anonymous caller
When you’re in compare and despair, don’t beat yourself up. Be gentle with yourself. And it’s ok to not make art for a while, right? What if you gave yourself permission to not make art for a little bit. What might emerge from that? Maybe you need to - I know for me, I’m not very good at chopping vegetables, I don’t really know the technique. I’ve been thinking lately, I think I’ll finally let my girlfriend show me how. The other day, she was like, chop this onion. And I was like, how? And she said lovingly, there’s a difference between chopping, dicing, slicing. And I was like ah, ok. And then I chopped it and she was really kind but was like, I’ll show you how to chop an onion soon. At 32, it doesn’t feel great to not know the exact technique. I think the onion did well in the meal, but yeah. Do you know what I mean? It’s like, maybe you don’t need to focus on making art, maybe you need to figure out how to chop an onion correctly. And what does chopping correctly even mean? Do whatever you want.
— Marlee Grace

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Resources mentioned

Amy Kuretsky

Pema Chodron

Boundaries in a Bottle from Dori Midnight


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What do you do when you get negative critiques on your writing from a teacher/mentor that don’t feel constructive? That are even sometimes sarcastic and seem to be making fun of your word choice or how you use language?
— Anonymous caller
Take stock of the room and why someone is sharing something with you, and go from there. And don’t quit writing. I know I’m so sensitive that when I was getting feedback, I had thoughts of like “fine, I’ll never dance again.” And people do that, they get feedback from mentors or teachers that feels itchy or makes them feel small and they never return to the practice. Many blessings, dear caller, as you navigate those feelings. They’re big feelings and I hope you keep writing and finding common ground with your mentors and teachers.
— Marlee Grace

A member of my cohort for graduate school (for social work) approaches things in a radically different way than I do and often says things that, to me, come off as harmful, judgemental, and unempathetic. If she is challenged, even if done so gently, she immediately disengages and does not listen to what others have to say. I try to hold space for her and be empathetic to what I might not see about her and hopeful in the ways she could grow, but it is always exhausting and leaves me hurt and resentful. So, any advice on how to take care of myself, any protection spells, or ideas on how to navigate a space with a person like this would be so helpful.
— Anonymous Caller
I think in many ways the greatest protection spell is what helps you take care of yourself. What calms you down when interacting with a person who quite specifically stresses you out? Maybe you have a favorite herb, tincture, tea, a stress ball, crystals in your pocket, carrying around a Pema Chodron pocketbook in your pocket like I do. Flower essences are so amazing, maybe there’s something that speaks to the energy of this specific dynamic that isn’t working. You’re doing great - you’re listening, attempting to create safe space for this other person that you have to be in community and in space with. Something I notice so often from my own creative communities, any social media echo chamber I might be in, is that we’re not all going to get on the same page all the time. I can only continue to live in my integrity and my truth. As you’re navigating, I really think it’s about just taking a beat, maybe you need to go to the bathroom, take a few deep breaths. I’m a real believer that you are in charge of your own serenity, and I don’t mean that in a spiritual bypassing way. When you’re engaging with the reality of the word and your inner and outer landscape, you’re in charge of turning off the news, taking a moment, taking a step away from this person who is causing you stress.
— Marlee Grace

I have noticed that I go full check-out mode during my luteal phase (the hormonal phase 10-14 days before ones period). In the past just ‘noticing’ has been enough to pull me out of the depths of my bullshit, but this is my fourth time noticing and my propensity of avoiding sitting with myself has only gotten stronger than ever! Do you have any rituals I could do or spells I could cast that would bring me out of this habit that is no longer serving me?
— Longingly luteal
I really encourage you to look for outside help, whether it’s an acupuncturist or a bodyworker or someone who is really well versed in hormones and how they change in the cycle. I know I needed extra help. Get clear on what your body needs during that time. In terms of your mind and how you talk to yourself, usually in my week four my thoughts about myself become really twisted, really different than what I know to be true. I get really critical about my body, my art, my writing, I question everything, and so - I don’t know if there’s a spell to cast as much as a gentleness that you can have with yourself. I try to joke about it, I have a few friends who are my week four buddies, I text them and am like, time for me to go to my island for the next week so I don’t fight with the people around me. Be gentle with yourself. Planning can be a privilege but planning to rest, or therapy, or a trusted friend, or writing a letter, having your places that you process and share. This is the beautiful part of the cycle is it always shifts, that cycle always ends.
— Marlee Grace

My 8+ year relationship has been rocky from the jump, we are both late 20’s so have essentially grown up together & are very intertwined. There have been many times we’ve nearly broken it off and I can certainly see how I’ve contributed to unhealthy cycles. About 4 years ago I really invested in my growth: trauma therapy, backed away from substance binging, engaged in my career and hobbies and friendships, came out as bi+. As much as I continue to grow, thrive, and communicate, I feel like I’m just growing... away from him. He is often shut down, avoidant, lashes out at me, is rarely an active participant in our lives. Pressures of COVID, loss in our families, and holidays lately haven’t helped. Honestly I’m thinking about ending things... but I struggle because of that attachment, my love for him and hope he can grow and face his own recovery, my role as his main supporter. How do I know calling it quits now isn’t too early? Also concerned that my queerness will be thrown in my face and erase my concerns with the actual relationship (ie “you just want to date women”). I feel stuck.
— Anonymous caller
We cannot guide another person into wellness, recovery, mental health that is thriving or shifts for them, we don’t have that power. We don’t. Which is hard to wrap your mind around. We don’t have the power to fix someone and our love and patience can’t fix someone. You writing this out to me, I can feel how clear you are with what you need to be your brightest, queerest, most powerful, trauma recovered self. And this person, who is currently you’re in a relationship with, from what you say, doesn’t seem to be along for that ride. That person will exist without you, and that’s ok. And not only will they exist, they might thrive. They might find a relationship that’s more correct for them.
— Marlee Grace

How do I be true to myself in setting a boundary with someone who I will be in the same vicinity with again soon, when she expects friendship, and where my reality is that her presence makes me feel unsafe and anxious? I have had friends who have told me “you don’t owe her anything” which is a relief to hear, but I don’t know if I could realistically practice that, or if I even agree with such a brutal sentiment. How do I move forward?
— Anonymous caller
I think an action is required to communicate with this person - I’m no longer interested in you reaching out to me. That boundary needs to be set. Just because it’s scary doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. Don’t wait to feel ready. You might never. It doesn’t get less scary, it stays scary and you do it anyways and then you are free, afterwards, to live in integrity with yourself.
— Marlee Grace

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ASK A QUESTION FOR NEXT WEEK (ALL QUESTIONS ARE SHARED ANONYMOUSLY)

Resources mentioned

Athletic Brewing Company

Out from Under: Sober Dykes and Our Friends, edited by Jean Swallow

Nadia Bolz-Weber


5 minutes

I’ve been sober for the past year (yay to choosing life!), and part of me misses the ritual aspect of celebratory drinking. What are your favorite rituals for celebrations to fill that void?
— Anonymous caller
I always say, play the tape all the way through, I never had one glass of wine. I always had at least two bottles and blacked out. If you’re craving and romanticizing the alcoholic drink and you know it’s not correct for you, remember how it ends and make a cute mocktail!
— Marlee Grace

26 minutes

Over the better part of the last year, I’ve been flirting via social media with this person from another state. We went on an in person date once before COVID and it left me thinking this is my person. Like really my person. However, every time we mention seeing each other again they never make firm plans (un-COVID related). Despite the amount we talk, I feel they’re playing a game with me (sexting, flirting, but mixed in with a lot of sincerity) and I’m constantly posting for their eye on social media. How do I release the attention seeking on social and let them go? Or should I?
— Anonymous caller
Do you need someone to show up in a really specific way? Or is the flirting and not meeting up ok? And both are allowed to be true. I think it’s up to you to navigate in your intuition. My prescription might be dancing to your favorite pop song, putting on a hot outfit and not posting it, seeing what feels really good to you. Getting in your body, feeling your own power, and then be like, is this serving me or not? Sometimes flirting with somebody who doesn’t want to meet up is fine, and you’re like, whatever! I’m doing my own thing! Other times that’s super depleting - it reminds you of what you don’t have, what you want to have in partnership, in friendship, whatever it is. Really tune in to what are your needs, what are your desires? Does this person fit in to the puzzle piece of romance and life and relationship? And if they don’t, maybe let them go!
— Marlee Grace

44 minutes

After a weekend at my parent’s home for the holidays, I feel relief to return to my home, but also real guilt for not appreciating all that they are giving and offering me. How do you take care of yourself when caught in this type of spiral?
— Anonymous caller
Even if you have amazing, magical parents who somehow didn’t traumatize you, I think there’s still a level of we are all reparenting ourselves and building homes and relationships that reflect the kind of love and care that we want to see in the world, that’s going to be different than the love and care our parents show to each other and the world. And what I’ve learned is they’re not wrong and I’m not right. That’s where the guilt maybe comes in, or feeling like I don’t appreciate them. I have really really learned to see my family - not just my parents, but also my brother, my aunts and uncles and cousins - really see each of them exactly as they are without expectations of who I wanted them to be, who I think they’re supposed to be. And then I can appreciate them so much more, draw my boundaries, leave when I need to, and appreciate my home that I live in.
— Marlee Grace

I tried to start a new quilt last night and felt a total freeze in my body. Just so overwhelmed by all the possibilities and not in an exhilarated way, in a curl up in a ball way. feel the same way when I think about starting to work my 12 step program.. what do you do when/if you experience a freeze like this?
— Anonymous caller
Put a pin in it. Sometimes pausing and not doing the thing is actually ok. Of course there’s part of me that wants to be like, push through! Find your creativity! Make your quilt! It’s gonna be beautiful! And I’m also like, don’t do it. Watch the Heaven’s Gate documentary on HBO, that’s what I did last night. Think about a cult, read a book, play Animal Crossing (that’s my new thing). It’s ok. You might find the urge later.
— Marlee Grace

episode twenty-eight

Resources mentioned

Elizabeth Gilbert

Recovery programs (12-step, smart, tempest)


Minute 4:30

I really want to feel more comfortable and confident and connected residing in my body, so I’ve decided I want to learn to dance. Any tips on where to start? I feel like it should be just as simple as moving my body in ways that feel good but I just don’t feel like I’m at that point, like I need some encouragement and a bit of starting point if that makes sense? Maybe an online class/course, a book, anything really! I like moving my body in other more structured ways (yoga/running/walking/swimming) but sometimes I don’t have the energy and because I have a complicated relationship with body image and weight loss these activities don’t always feel nurturing.
— Anonymous caller
Do a scan, close your eyes, greet your body. If you’re feeling something related to not loving your body or a little bit of discomfort or pain, just greet it! Be like, hello body, I’m seeing you. We don’t have to get rid of those thoughts before we dance, we can bring them into dancing. Dancing moves them through the system, both physically, spiritually, emotionally. Put your favorite song on, do a body scan, check in with where you’re at.
— Marlee Grace

Minute 19

How in the hell (heck for radio? lol) am I going to meet my neighbours, and find my queer quirky art loving social justice active community in a snow covered freezing town in Canada. There is no outdoor places to even really spend time getting to know anyone, except for the quick hello and cheerful smile (despite feeling quite alone). Any suggestions for a major move, new place, and feeling connected. I do also plan to use this time to delve deep inward, it offers a pause to do so, but I know human connection is important to me and will be important through the winter months. I can zoom with friend’s from the big city....but I also want to embrace this new home. Suggestions welcome!
— Anonymous caller
Elizabeth Gilbert talked about being lonely and instead of pushing against that, to be like ok, here we are. Here we are in loneliness. What is there inside of me to start to investigate? I think that has helped me during this time. It is naturally lonely to live in a place, even if you’re cultivating new relationships - which I am, and you might be able to do in a different way - it’s still really intense to live through a global pandemic in a place where none of your friends have known you outside of a global pandemic. You don’t have close family, or any friends you’ve known for more than 8 months. That’s uncomfortable, that’s lonely. It doesn’t have to be any different.
— Marlee Grace

Minute 41

My friend of 7 years and I have become increasingly close over the course of the last year and half, and at the beginning of quarantine we started hooking up after many years of tension (as two dykes do...). in many ways it has felt really amazing– they’ve been my light throughout this quarantine and we’ve gotten to know each other in ways that we never would have in the speed of our lives before. we’ve been really open and it’s been exciting to be in something that isn’t defined. but many things are weird about our dynamics shifting during this time– none of our friends witness how we’re interacting now; it’s all super private and escapist at points; and it’s hard as someone prone to codependent behavior to not make my whole life about them when our lives are so small right now. Over the past month or so, our relationship has felt a lot more draining than fun. We both acknowledge that we’ve been holding the weight of 10 months of lockdown and everything that has come with it and it’s A LOT. I appreciate how gracious and kind we’re being in reassessing what we’re doing, but it’s also scary. as someone newer to being really intentional about my connections, it’s hard to know if i’m doing it right. I guess I’m scared to lose them and it all just feels confusing that it took a big shift. Is this something you’ve experienced? what would be your advice as we’re in this limbo?
— Anonymous caller
I think just bringing in a little bit of spirit, god, higher power, whatever you’re calling it these days, to let this relationship form, or re-form, or shift however it is supposed to. Let it be what it is supposed to be. The other way to not lose yourself is to have your own stuff, your own recreations and hobbies and separate friends. I really think for all the people in my life who are partnership where they live, with their partner, whether they’ve been together for a little while or a long time, a quarantine, stay at home, global pandemic is putting a really different pressure on togetherness. It’s harder to carve out spaciousness, but I think no matter the outcome of this relationship, take care of your side of the street, focus on the things that make you feel happy in the day.
— Marlee Grace

1 hour

How do you navigate family dynamics in which your former role or others’ story of you doesn’t fit anymore? I grew up being the oldest sib and have long held onto the idea that I must be capable and in control, steady and smart, the helper and advice giver. This has often manifested in being seen as a “bully” who is overly critical or angry (I also have hella Virgo in my chart). I no longer want this and have made a lot of internal progress in unlearning some of those patterns and defenses and approaching people in my life with more acceptance, but I see the ways my mother and siblings experience discomfort when I attempt to flip the script or act in ways more aligned with my truest self. It’s as if the whole universe falls off track when I shift my behaviors within family!
— Anonymous caller
I know saying this about your own family is a hot take, but what other people think of you is none of your business. It’s my favorite phrase, I pulled it from a 12-step program. I love to think about it for the internet, for what people think of my radio show, to what people think of how I dress, to whatever I do. What those people think of you is none of your business. You know what is in true alignment, you know, clearly in the beautiful way you articulated your question, you know what is true for you. As you rewrite these narratives about yourself, you just have to believe them and detach from your family’s experience of you rewriting the story. I say it because I’m doing it all the time in my own life, it’s uncomfortable, it’s weird, it’s clunky, just like being a human is.
— Marlee Grace

1 Hour 6 Minutes

I’m wondering if you have any advice for a newly sober person (me) getting through the holidays when it’s a very drinky/vicey time. I wondered your insight on that and if you have any tips.
— Anonymous caller
One day at a time. I will just not drink for the rest of today, and then hypothetically, godwilling, do that tomorrow, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then when Friday comes and it’s Christmas and it’s triggering, I will do my very best to not drink that day. I definitely suggest always having sober accountability buddies - and whatever sobriety is to you, if you’re not drinking, if you’re not using other substances, whatever your definition is of your personal sobriety - if it’s not drinking, another friend who’s also not drinking that day, and text them. Check in. I always have my special drinks, my Topo Chicos, my LaCroix, my special chocolates, gum, I like to have my things that I have that make me feel a little safer. A water bottle with regular water. And find sober community if that feels right for you.
— Marlee Grace

1 Hour 26 Minutes

I am from a suburb of Chicago originally, but spent a few years living in Oakland/Berkeley before living in my hometown for a year to rest and save up some money before starting graduate school and moving into Chicago proper. I know I made the right choice for me and ultimately do feel much more grounded being back in the Midwest, but I still feel so heartbroken some days about the community I left behind that I loved so much, even though I know it was ultimately not a forever home for me. I end up judging myself for leaving the Bay Area—I often heard “Why would I ever live anywhere else?” from people when I lived there and even though I know there are many reasons to not live there and I am so much happier in Chicago, I keep asking myself why I couldn’t be happier there despite all the work I put into creating a life for myself and when so many other people are so happy there. I also think there is a narrative about moving back to where you’re from and that being because you failed somewhere else, and while I disagree with that and know that is not my experience, I end up doubting and judging myself about it anyway.
— Anonymous caller
I was just talking about sobriety and applying one day at a time to that. This is one day at a time material, yeah? The truth is today, there’s a lot of truth that you’ve enacted that is correct for you, it sounds like. And there’s grief - there gets to be both. There’s no question that my life is exactly how it is supposed to be today. And I miss my friends. And I miss the ocean. And I miss my little tiny cabin in a eucalyptus grove. It’s both.
— Marlee Grace

1 Hour 50 minutes

This year has been a wave of experiences and emotions, as I think we can all agree too. I have really been exploring the concept of duality. For example, acknowledging how things can be really bad for some and good at times in my own life, and alternatively the other way around as well. The theme goes in so many directions. It can also feel very empowering to acknowledge duality, as it allows for one to accept and confront what we are faced with, but for an empathic person it can be really hard to deal with. How do you approach these emotions?
— Anonymous caller
There were times when in my personal life I felt strained and lonely and depressed, but I was still able to access running my business. I was able to be financially generous in a time where I was scraping by with the tools I had. And then other times I don’t actually have a lot of money or time but I have a lot of love to give, or I can pour it into my radio show. Finding the containers that you can pour generosity and service into is the way forward. So that when you’re well or our cup is totally empty, you’ve been filling other people who are now part of your community who can love and lift you up when you ask for help.
— Marlee Grace

episode twenty-seven

I feel like I can’t do anything on time right now. This caller explained that they have been missing appointments, unable to clean up after themselves, and just really scatter-brained. They asked, when or if you are in this sort of state of mind, how do you get through it, how do you get out of it, and how do you talk to yourself nicely when you’re in it?
— Anonymous caller
I think just being gentle with yourself, taking in the landscape. The longer we go in this pandemic, the more normalized it becomes. In some ways that’s good and soothing, and in other ways it makes me forget how gentle I really need to be with myself. These are not normal times.
— Marlee Grace

What advice do you have for wedding planning?
— Anonymous caller
I think a mood board with stickie notes, maybe think of some color ways and energy you want and songs you love, think of smells you like, really sensory things. I think instead of focusing on the exact facts of the path, really be like how do I want it to feel? How do I want the physical space to feel? How do I want to feel? How does my partner want to feel? What are the dreams and visions of our partnership and how can we incorporate that into the day?
— Marlee Grace

How do you know what you’re supposed to do with your life?
— Anonymous caller
Build your choice-making skills. Where do you tap into your intuition? Do you go for walks? Do you light candles? Do you run it by a trusted fellow or friend?
Do you go see a psychic? Do you have a mentor? Do you have a grandparent? Do you have a neighbor? Think really bouncing ideas with other people and
yourself. Don’t run it by too many voices, the only one that matters is yours. And you might stray, right? It’s not always going to be easy but I think you’ll find the way.
— Marlee Grace

episode twenty-six

Resources mentioned:

Mirror Work by Louise Hayes

Clementine Morrigan’s podcast - Fucking Cancelled

Ellen Rutt

Rachel Cargle


This is the first time I’ve been single since I was 16, I’m now 26. I have a lot of fear around not ever finding love again and of spending time on my own, but I also know that it’s really important for me to be alone. What tips /recommendations do you have for building a relationship with yourself (particularly in the middle of a pandemic)?
— Anonymous caller
I talk about and think a lot and write about dancing and dancing alone, and having an embodiment practice, and maybe even filming yourself as another opportunity of mirror work in that way, to see how your body is moving, thank your body for taking you this far, for 26 whole years, that’s amazing, and putting on your favorite music and feeling yourself.
— Marlee Grace

How do I move on and love myself after being cancelled by a friend without any communication attempts on their end? I constantly strive to be the best friend and communicator that I can be, and yet I still trigger people who decide that shutting me out completely with no conversation is the only way that they can be ok. But it ends up triggering my abandonment and anxiety to the point of being totally paralyzed, and I have a really hard time moving on and letting it go.
— Anonymous caller
I had a wave of friendships end in 2018, a few who really told me it was my fault. Looking back, I really internalized that shame and guilt and smallness for so long. When I was like, I wasn’t right for two humans. Two human beings were like, you’re not right for me. But I took that as, I’m not right for everyone. I’m not worthy of any friendship. How can you love yourself through this? Who are your cheerleaders? Who are the people who you really trust, who really see you, who celebrate your inherent worthiness? Go to them! celebrate them back!
— Marlee Grace

I’m crushing hard on someone I just met, and I’m finding it hard to stay in my center. She’s my dream babe (or so it seems) but she doesn’t seem as eager to rush into something as I am. She takes forever to respond to texts, doesn’t seem to want to hang out as urgently as I do...all of which triggers my fears of inadequacy and rejection. How do I avoid losing myself to either fear or fantasy? How do I stay with myself through the uncertainty while I wait to see if this relationship turns into anything?
— Anonymous caller
Don’t abandon yourself, right? The longest person you will be in a relationship with is you. The longest intimate physical, pleasurable, sensual relationship, the longest emotional relationship, spiritual relationship, physical relationship. Keep doing your hobbies. Keep doing your recreation, keep checking in with your friends. Find a few friends who don’t co-sign your BS, what’s what I like to say, who really know you and maybe know this place you want to go in the fantasy. Just really be with yourself, remember that this person does not decide your worthiness for your next relationship, the way you love yourself. If this person can’t really show up and doesn’t want to hang, that’s fine.
— Marlee Grace

I just broke up with my partner of a few years, whom I love very very deeply, because I am finally coming into and accepting my queer identity. I want to be intimate with women, but had this pretty fulfilling partnership with a man and am feeling definite regret over whether or not I made the right decision, and slightly feeling like I failed at being in a heterosexual relationship (underlying homophobia, I assume). Something like “it wasn’t at all horrible, I could have stuck it out, there was a lot of love there but no aliveness”. Did you ever have those feelings when you ended your marriage? What advice do you have for a situation like this?
— Anonymous caller
Let’s take a deep, collective breath, for everyone who has ended partnership ever. Or came out to themselves, or a partner, or a part of your queer identity meant you couldn’t stay in a current partnership in the way that it existed. I always have my sassy answer and my nice, kind answer. I’m like “if you’re gay, you’re gay. If you’re gay, you can’t be with a guy.” That’s ok! That’s ok! You love him so much, I bet he’s really nice. And it’s fine and you can go be queer and go frolick around the world. There’s so many of us waiting to court you and to date you and to celebrate you joining the ranks. And also, queerness can exist in a lot of relationships.
— Marlee Grace

I’ve been dating a woman for a year and we recently got a cat. It’s clear she loves the cat more than me. How do I move forward in a positive way?
— Anonymous caller
I know you’re confident and you say, you know that she loves the cat more. I think she loves the cat differently. All I can say is many blessings on your journey of moving forward in a positive way. And in a real way, if this is really distracting, maybe plan some quality time for you and your girlfriend to connect outside of the house, no cat around.
— Marlee Grace

I’m an artist who is working through many different mediums and I feel this pressure from the world to pick one thing and stick to it, but I’m finding myself attracted to different forms of art-making, so what do I do?
— Anonymous caller
My suggestion is like, what are the themes that are throughout everything you’re making? And then really see that you’re not jumbled or chaotic, you’re working within different mediums within 1-3 themes. I think do a little writing about what you’re attempting to convey in your art, how are the mediums actually similar and overlapping, and how can I develop some language to describe it? You gotta love words like interdisciplinary artist or multi-disciplinary artist, there’s so many ways we can talk about ourselves now.
— Marlee Grace

episode twenty-five

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Resourced mentioned

Che Che Luna

Jamila Reddy (recent Patreon visiting artist!)

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Like you, I am a divorced woman who has remained best friends with their now ex-husband. In the 5 years that we have navigated this new way of being in partnership together, I have found it very difficult to date other men who are accepting of it. The relationship is purely platonic, but new partners think it’s not normal. Did you have to navigate this in your new relationships post divorce? If so, how did you handle it and do you have any words of advice?
— Anonymous caller
I would say for all people - hets, queers, anybody in between, the bisexuals, the pansexuals, the gays, the dykes, the homos, however you identify - I really think we want intimacy, we want platonic intimacy, we want abundance. And you can definitely find men who will not be threatened by you having a friendship with our ex-husband. There is no doubt in my mind. If you don’t, you gotta shift where you’re looking or something. I don’t mean to shame those people. Jealousy is natural, their minds are corrupted by the heteronormative patriarchy that says that that’s weird. It’s not weird, it’s cool and revolutionary to be friends with your ex-husband. Here’s the thing, though, it means you’ll have to find someone who is confident in themselves, really loves themself, isn’t threatened by that kind of intimacy.
— Marlee Grace

I am going through a very traumatic breakup. I was with this partner for a year where multiple life altering decisions, situations and events happened in a very short and quick amount of time. Trauma bonding to the max, if you will. Though I did a lot of codependency work years ago, I slid back into the role of caretaker, emotional punching bag, therapist, and be-all seamlessly and am now in recovery again. I rationalized away verbal, emotional, mental and physical abuse by telling myself my ex was simply acting out his grief or in the throes of a new hormone regiment. One panicked decision after another lead me into signing a lease with him, giving up my home of four years, then breaking up and having to move two more times within two months...during covid! He cheated on me (during covid!!!) and is currently partnered with this other person. I believed him when he said I wasn’t enough : not queer enough, smart enough, masculine enough, tough enough, lovable enough. Me being nonbinary wasn’t “enough”. I did everything wrong, from how I cleaned to how I cooked to how I simply lived.

The problem, Friendship Village, is that I still believe him. I believe him that I am not enough. That I am somehow so deeply flawed that I am malignant, unlovable, toxic. I feel like an imposter as a queer and nonbinary person. I am so uncomfortable in my skin and feel paralyzed, struck in fear, that I can’t even pick up a pen and write- an act that truly freed me. What’s worse is that he has rallied around a group of queer acquaintances that he met through me, effectively alienating me from some folks I truly saw as friends and resources to a wider queer community. I know I have so much work ahead of me in terms of healing, and I’m on the universe’s timeline, but jeeze, I feel so lonely and feel like I deserve it, or like I’m getting punished. That because I *believe* all this hurt I am carrying with me, I don’t deserve community. I know it’s complicated, but I’m a believer of signs, and if you’ve got one to share, I’d really appreciate it. These winter days are so dark and hard as it is.
— Anonymous caller
Because if you’re queer, if you ever met a queer, you know that these feelings of unlovability are so common. And just naming it, I think, and knowing you’re not alone in that energetically, spiritually, factually, is what brings us into ourselves, which is so lovable and so worthy. First of all, you’re allowed to mess up and still be worthy of love and community. You’re allowed to cause harm, you’re allowed to not even be a good person, and still make amends and rebuild. You’re magic. All queers are magic, even when we aren’t our best selves or have hurt other people, you are deserving of love and kindness and community and magic and I hope that all those things come to you. I often say, I’m a tornado person and my friends love me for being a tornado person just the way I am. Chaos comes with me sometimes and that’s ok.
— Marlee Grace

I’ve been in a loving relationship with my partner for seven years now. A few years ago we “officially” opened our relationship for dating, flirts, intimacy with other people. This has always been good, we talked about everything and we always stayed “the couple” if you know what I mean. Now my partner has fallen deeply in love with someone else. It’s been difficult and intense for my partner, for me and also for the new person I guess, but after all we decided on staying together (we also live together), but my partner ALSO wants to expand this new romantic relationship with the new person. I absolutely believe it when my partner says they love me, and I love them, and I’m so willing to give this thing a try. BUT STILL I’m struggling with jealousy and with fear that maybe one day my partner will make a decision. I wonder how much of this fear is just based in what society, our parents or pop culture taught us about relationships and love, about how it always has to be “two people” in the end... I would love to hear your thoughts on this! How can we crack open these patterns in our minds?
— Anonymous caller
I think look into where do I feel safe today? Right now, your partner is with you, they’re not running away. Is that a fear that could happen later, absolutely, but it’s not what’s happening today. Focus on yourself today. Like I said, we don’t know what’s going to happen. When I was going through a divorce and openness was part of it, I had so much fear. And now my life is so beautiful even on the hard days, and it all happened exactly as it was supposed to. One of my mentors who I run things by is always like “tell me the worst case scenario, say it all out loud, and then remember that you could survive that.” So I’m not going to sit here and say everything’s going to be fine, it could get harder, and it could get easier. Stay in the day, pay attention to what you can trust and know today, which really seems to be the love that you and your partner have built thus far.
— Marlee Grace

What is the queeriest holiday dish (food you eat) and why?
— Anonymous caller

episode twenty-four


I’m an artist in my mid 30s and I’ve recently been thinking about going back to school for clinical social work. I had gotten pretty into the idea and was beginning the application process when I randomly landed a kind of dream job. It’s not a dream job in the sense most people think of one, it’s just a good job where I like the people I work with (other artists), am treated well, paid well, feel like I can be my goofy self, and don’t feel totally drained at the end of the day (meaning i can still make art and have a life.) While my interest in social work still stands, and I recognize that loving a job you’ve been at for a couple months doesn’t mean you’ll always love it, I have to admit I’m confused! I’ve been thinking and talking to a few trusted people about it, but I’m curious to hear your take! I know that a job as a therapist would probably be more meaningful than what I’m doing now, but I’m unsure how important that is to me, and also how urgent. Do I stick with this job and wait to see how I feel next year, or just go forward with the momentum I’ve built up? I’ll also add that quarantine feels like a weird-ass time to be making decisions.
— Anonymous caller
Something I really want to lean into here is this question of, “I know that a job as a therapist would probably be more meaningful than what I’m doing now.” I want to pause us there, I want anyone who’s listening to either sink into the comfort or discomfort that comes with hearing a question like that. Cuz to me, my very opinionated reaction is “how is that more meaningful?” I think that it’s so easy for us to assign meaning to more traditional jobs. I think the job of a social worker or therapist or any kind of emotional guide is extremely important, and I do not think it is any more important than the role of an artist in the world.
— Marlee Grace

How do you create structure for yourself as a person working in the creative world, outside of a typical 9-5? How to balance work time and non-work time?
— Anonymous caller
This question is so beautiful and asked so often in the creative world, I don’t think there is an obvious answer. I think it’s up to the individual, I think it’s up to what your astrological chart looks like, what your human design looks like, your enneagram number. There’s so many deciding factors in how we work, when we work, what our flow is. And so for me, lately, I think I try to pay attention to am I feeling fed by my work and if not, what do I need to do to shift that, to stay accountable to my tasks?
— Marlee Grace

episode twenty-three

Resources mentioned

Shifting the Silence by Etel Adnan

We Don’t Cancel Us by Adrienne Maree Brown

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I recently had a friend confront me, really call my character into question. And then terminate our friendship. This friend has seen me at some low points in my life but I have really showed up for them a lot in the last year and have always listened, apologized and changed when they voice concerns or issues. After this final conversation, I’m feeling so unsure about my perspective of reality and how to move forward and learn from the confrontation. Any advice? How do we deal with criticism of our character and who we are as people rather than about specific behaviors or patterns?
— Anonymous caller
I have a few trusted people in my life, whether a therapist, a 12-step sponsor, someone I see regularly who is working in the psychic realm or a tarot reader, a neighbor, your grandmother, an aunt or uncle, I don’t think there’s a right person for this, but I have enough sort of neutral people, who aren’t in the mix with that friend, and I try to give them the facts, not the feelings of this situation. This person, I trust them to reflect back to me the truest perspective that we can come up with together.
— Marlee Grace

episode twenty-one


We were together 2.5 years, she was my first female relationship and it was HIGH highs and low lows. We did not scream, or treat each other poorly on purpose. Our underlying attachment styles just went berserk on each other, like oil and water. It’s just so tragic. There is a part of me that does not want to let go at all. I write her emails but don’t send them. We have a no-contact agreement for now except for a few instances. It makes me want to run away. It is done, for now, we had a lovely but tearful break-up session with our therapist but ...when will it end! HA! I know you don’t know. I guess I just need a sign from the radio waves that this will get better. That I am doing enough. That is ok to work less now, to be a bit quieter. It is ok to cry every day right? My question is: what is your one amazing thing you did for yourself during break ups?
— Anonymous caller
Sometimes being in acceptance for me actually blocks me from that grief. Gosh, I feel like my advice for so many questions is take many baths. But baths, and walks, and just going towards the feelings not away from them is really important. And indulging, not being overly judgmental. Collecting that evidence, like maybe it feels good to eat a pint of ice cream and do what you want and watch Grey’s Anatomy and be like, hell with it, I’m going to do what I want to do. And then maybe you’ll reach a point where that starts to not feel good. And instead of hating yourself for that, just pivot, be like “okay, cool, this coping mechanism, this self-soothing tool isn’t working, so maybe I’ll shift towards another.
— Marlee Grace

I left art school after three years of unhealthy boundaries and expectations. It felt like we were all pushed to make art solely for the purpose of going to New York or Chicago or making it big time. I used to be content with my simple rural life in Tennessee but now I feel their unhealthy thoughts and advice creeping in. I feel pressure to become well known, or else I’m a “failure” to the art world. Can you talk about others expectations , particularly in the art world, and how to stay true to yourself?
— Anonymous caller
To me it’s so much better to live the quality of life that I want to live rather than living towards someone else’s expectations. As an artist and a writer and a dancer, I don’t necessarily feel so tapped into “the art world.” What the hell does that even mean? I’m sure in academia there’s more of a direct or obvious answer to what the art world is, but for me as a dancer I’ve carved out all of these outsider spaces for myself both digitally and in real life and it’s’ been so much more enjoyable. I don’t want to live in Brooklyn and be in a tiny dance company and work three to four jobs.
— Marlee Grace

I’ve been sober for two years, it’s been going well but I feel triggered during Covid. I feel like even though I’m going to Zoom meetings and feeling supported by my sober community, I just keep thinking about drinking, whether it’s in my dreams or in the daytime. How do you cope with feeling triggered or obsessive thoughts about drinking?
— Anonymous caller
We’re living in what I think is the most uncomfortable time of our lives. And unexpected. That’s the thing, when you start to train yourself in sobriety - when I was going through divorce, the death of people I love, big life transitions, extreme joy, I got married in sobriety too - events you might think to drink at, I was ready. I was like, I’ve got the tools. I know what to do. In my time in sobriety, I’ve never had to go through time of deep and relentless isolation before. For most people who struggle with or cope with addiction, the antidote is to not be in isolation, it’s to connect with people in real life. For me right now, I really have to talk to other sober people often, every day pretty much. How are you even coping? I have to plug in to someone in recovery every day.
— Marlee Grace

episode twenty

Resources mentioned

Ballotpedia.org

NMvote.org


I’m in the middle of a creative project and I hate myself. I’m not sure whether it’s time to take a break or push myself. What would you do?
— Anonymous Caller
How do you build your own intuition and self knowing and self truth to be able to tell if it’s time to push forward or relax? I think there is a breaking point for me where I can feel I need to rest. Not to offer rest as a means to productivity, but oftentimes we are more clear-minded and able to access our creativity when we’re rested. Also, I think when I try to do things by myself without asking for help or support, that’s when my stuckness and block turns to shame, self-sabotage, and self-doubt. It’s normal to hate yourself in a creative project and practice. I’m always trying to get back to my center, get back on the beam faster. Call in friends, call in spirit guides, call in whatever’s going to support you. Be gentle with yourself.
— Marlee Grace

I’m about to visit a parent who is voting for Trump. They seem a little bit like they could be convinced otherwise. I want to have a nice trip home for my family. What is the line between acceptance and helping them understand there might be another way?
— Anonymous Caller
Stay curious. If they’re really a parent who is open to voting another way, invite them into that curiosity and investigation of what could be on the other side if they were to make a different choice. Yelling at them won’t work and telling them they’re stupid and wrong won’t work, even if you feel it - tell it to your diary. One parent who makes that different decision is a parent who talks to a lot of their friends. Stay curious and see what kinds of conversations you can invite them into. The next few weeks are only going to get more intense, so take really good care of yourself as you’re visiting your family, take breaks, drink water, connect with your breath, keep your boundaries.
— Marlee Grace

episode nineteen


Resources mentioned:

The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron

Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert

All About Love by bell hooks

nmvote.org


What are some ways to redefine connection in a time of physical separation at holidays?
— Anonymous caller
When we’re separate in the earthly plane - and also in cosmic planes of people who aren’t here anymore - food is such a simple, basic but profound way to connect to other people. Making the same things, doing the same rituals, maybe you pick a way to set up your altar that’s the same, pick these twigs, rocks, plants, herbs on this day.
— Marlee Grace

What’s the best way to stay open, positive, and curious when things are difficult?
— Anonymous caller
One way to stay open and curious and positive is to not try to overly build yourself up. Stay in the mundane a little longer. What are the maintenance things that carry you through the day to day tasks? Invite playfulness in. Part of it is inviting yourself to get curious - the awareness is part of being curious. For me it’s like, if I’m not in curiosity I’m usually in extreme judgment. I’ve made a judgment on an experience, a person, my own feelings, and so I think inviting more pause into the day to be like, okay, I’m in a judgement zone and I’d like to shift to curiosity, I think you’ll find that’s a habit worth building and I think you’ll be able to build it. Adding playfulness to your creative practice, a hobby, taking some risks in your creative practice.
— Marlee Grace

My question is about fear, the fear and unmanageability that comes in relationships, fear that if we let go of the control of managing our relationships they will fail.
— Anonymous caller
Reading bell hooks’ writing has transformed how I think about love and connection and just how it all works and comes together. I definitely have found that my partnership feels a lot more abundant when I can fully detach with love and trust Jackie’s experience as correct for her. When I do that, I get to live and experience my life, which is separate from her. As you’re navigating how to be in less obsession, especially during Covid times when we’re so together with our partners, roommates, platonic partners, family - it’s helpful to focus energy on the self, on your individual truth so it can influence the others, not so that they’re so enmeshed into one.
— Marlee Grace

episode eighteen

Resources mentioned

Odes to Lithium - Shira Erlichman

NMvote.org

“Compulsive heterosexuality”

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How do you negotiate communication with friends who have different text habits?
— Anonymous caller
If you’re needing a friend to show up more to text communication, I think you can ask for that. See if they’re available. If they’re not, detach with love. See if there’s another friend who’s available. And then circle back and check in with that other friend in like a month and maybe they’ll be like, I really need you right now. And you can decide what boundaries feel good. It doesn’t have to be tit for tat. Maybe you have capacity and can show up for them. Just being really clear with what your expectations and hopes are for communication - text, calls, FaceTime, whatever it is.
— Marlee Grace

How to stop living like you’re just trying to get through something and start living?
— Anonymous caller
This year, I think so many of us who thrive in social spaces, queer community, celebratory spaces - whether church or concerts or whatever your church is, dance class, dance parties, picnics, potlucks - I feel the emotional well come up just as I’m thinking about these gatherings that are really I think what feeds most of our aliveness that we don’t have anymore. As we’re trying to figure out how to not just get by but really be present for, I’m going to butcher the Mary Oliver moment but, this “one precious wild life.” I’m sorry, Mary, she’s rolling over in her gay little grave at me right now, but we have all these beautiful examples in poetry and literature of how we pay attention and what we’re invited to pay attention to. How can you take a daily inventory, to look around? I love a good list-making practice, pen to paper, to really look at ok, today I’m grateful for my partner, grateful for my dog, grateful I woke up hopeful.
— Marlee Grace

Any advice on communication and loving your significant other and yourself in a long distance relationship?
— Anonymous caller
I see how it chips away at some of our more exciting forms of intimacy, whether physical or just togetherness time, when I’m in constant contact with my partner. Part of the invitation is to pause a little bit, to while you’re living your own life, really live your own life. Take it to the journal, make a voice recording on your phone to remember later, the notes app is one of my favorite tools in the whole world. You can always open that and make a note to yourself, draft a text you send to your partner later in the day to keep you present. In so many ways the key to partnership, whether long distance or not, is really the individuals living in their highest good, in an effort to be of service to the world and then to the partnership. I think keep leaning in to the things you love to do and yeah, if conflict comes up, schedule time to talk about it. Use the tools that I’m sure you are cultivating.
— Marlee Grace

How do you transition a relationship with an ex-lover to a platonic friendship?
— Anonymous caller
It can be romantic! Wear your best dress, bring this person flowers - you can be romantic and not be physical within a friendship. You can be really boundless and limitless in the way you express love and admiration for someone. It’s up to you in terms of like, how well can you hold the boundary for yourself? Only you know what feels too romantic or too close. Keep an eye on your motives, notice why you might say something or do something, are you looking for a reaction or a response? And just think of the things you do with your other platonic friends. Respecting boundaries, make sure you say what your boundaries are to them. You can collaborate on this together, it doesn’t have to be y’all figuring it out in separate rooms. You can be like, what would a dream friendship for us look like where we move past the old version?
— Marlee Grace

I know it’s not healthy to be creating art with the hopes that it will make men respect me, and I should probably just release my expectations for this group of people, but how? I’d love any tips or releasing my need for male approval and need to measure my success by comparing myself to past boyfriends.
— Anonymous caller
I really think it’s a choice. It’s a choice to separate yourself from the male gaze and the male approval, to be around more women, more femmes and non-binary people and people who have an abundant gender expression, be around more people who maybe weren’t socialized in that way so that you can sort of attune to a new way of looking at yourself. Because being witnessed and how people reflect yourself back to you is a part of the creative process. I don’t think it’s off to want approval or want to be seen by people in your creative community. I also want to celebrate how attuned you already are to this own feeling in yourself. I think so many people walk through the world not even knowing they’re grasping for that approval from people they maybe don’t even care about very much or want to seek connection with. I think it’s amazing you already are really filled with awareness that you’re doing that.
— Marlee Grace

episode seventeen

Resources mentioned

Quit Like a Woman - Holly Whitaker

Tempest


I began recovery during Covid. As things begin to pre-Covid pace, I’m finding myself in more and more situations with stress management at work. Previously my stress management was about 10 drinks after a shift. I’m having a hard time cultivating tools as I isolate in quarantine. I’m trying to be creative, but the emotional drain is sometimes too much. Have you experienced this? If so, what kind of tools have you generated in this new reality that have worked for you?
— Anonymous caller
Something I heard early on when I got sober was “you don’t have to take a drink today if you don’t want to and you don’t have to take a drink today if you do want to.” You don’t have to follow that impulse all the way through. Find some sober friends, find some sober literature, and just remember you only have to do it one day at a time. Make a pro and con list - here are the things that go badly after I have 10 drinks after work and here’s why being sober is worth it.
— Marlee Grace

Want to quit my full-time office job and take time off to focus on creative life. Feeling afraid of Covid and recession-world even though I’ve been saving money and have wanted to do this for a very long time.
— Anonymous caller
I don’t know your enneagram, I don’t know your astrology, I don’t know your birth chart. But I’m like yes, quit it. Quit the full time job. The end. Believe that you will be held by taking the jump. And it’s scary out there, we do have to be somewhat pragmatic and plan these moves and these shifts. But from my own experience, I have jumped many a time before I was ready and was held by the universe. I think sometimes we have to end something before we know exactly how to do what’s next. That’s scary, and capitalism doesn’t teach us that’s a possibility, right? Magic teaches us that’s a possibility.
— Marlee Grace

I’m trying to create some daily habits for myself, like through Morning Pages, tarot cards, but am running up against that feeling of how do we integrate self forgiveness into these practices when we don’t want to do them? Or we’re doing them too much or too little?
— Anonymous caller
There’s this great sentence in 12 step literature for addicts, speaking for myself, that says “resistance dogs our every move.” For me I identify as an alcoholic and that pattern of resistance is so thick in me because it also makes me think I’m in control. If I choose not to do something, I’m in a head space of “see, I’m in control of my choices and I choose not to do this thing.” And that can actually not feel so good. So just keep bringing in a noticing practice. Does writing feel good, or does walking feel good? Maybe some mornings you write and some mornings you walk, maybe some mornings you let yourself sleep in and eat trashy cereal for breakfast and watch a trashy TV show. I think so much of my own discomfort and anxiety comes from not fully committing to what I’m doing, whether that’s avoidance or devotion.
— Marlee Grace

Did you always recognize the therapeutic impact dance had on you or was it a realization?
— Anonymous caller
In the year that I started [@personalpractice], I went through a divorce, moved across the country, and went through all these really big life events. Between my sobriety and my friendships, I really think it’s what kept me alive in that time of really deep grief and confusion and transition. I think it was a realization for me. It goes in waves, there are times that it feels like I dance because I want to make shapes with my body and that’s how I communicate. And just because you see me dancing doesn’t mean I’m embodied or feeling embodied. That can be a really different part of my dance practice that maybe I don’t film or I have my eyes closed. It’s both/and. It’s therapeutic to me and it’s a medium of shape-making.
— Marlee Grace

How do you know that you’re ready to take the next step with your partner, like living together?
— Anonymous caller
My current partner, we were just laughing about this the other day because sometimes when you’re in it, it doesn’t feel that fast. But looking back, we’d been dating for approximately two months before we moved in together. Here’s the thing though, when you move in with someone fast, sometimes it means you have to work backwards because codependency or certain levels of attachment make their little homes in the habits really early. Some people I know - who are also lesbian women - waited 8 years to move in together, and that was correct for them. I share those two totally different timelines because I don’t think there’s a formula. I think you just have to decide. It’s a risk. There’s a lot to be said about maintaining your own intuition practices and knowing the signs of what feels good to you and it’s really going to be about communication. Can you communicate well in a home together? Which means stating your boundaries, saying your needs, like ‘I need space,’ ‘I need togetherness.’ Being totally in love with my girlfriend doesn’t mean I’m the best every day at how I manage the way I communicate with her. Just because we love each other doesn’t mean we’re perfect at living together. That takes a different skill. Loving someone takes a different skill than living with someone.
— Marlee Grace

I’m 27 and just moved to a new city. How the heck do you make friends as an adult?
— Anonymous caller
Make some friends online, maybe they only live a few towns away! See what your local library or community center’s got going on! If you can make one or two friends. Suggest to them if they’d like to have a craft night or a book club and maybe those people can invite another person. And another big part of making friends is remember you’re cool. You’re a cool person. I don’t know you, but I bet you’re cool. You have to believe in yourself, believe you’re worthy of making new friends.
— Marlee Grace

episode sixteen

Resources mentioned:

FARIHA RÓISÍN

Grey’s Anatomy

Enneagram


What are some of your favorite ways to someone someone, especially a friend, not a romantic partner, that you love and cherish them?
— Anonymous caller
My first answer is send them mail! Especially as we work to support and save the USPS, the US Postal Service for those of you who don’t know. I love receiving mail, I love to send mail, especially in pandemic times we’re really lacking that sort of tangible exchange of touch and objects and holding and togetherness that I think sending something through the mail can be really sweet. It doesn’t even have to be a letter, it can be some object you don’t want anymore, or a drawing or a sticker that you ordered from somewhere or dried flowers or seeds. There’s so many things we can send in the mail! Decorate the package, the outside, draw on that, collage it, get creative. It’s definitely an opportunity to tap into yourself and the friendship. I also like thinking about doing romantic things for platonic friends, like sending them flowers or chocolates, something that smells really good. I think that we sometimes save those obvious romantic grand gestures for our partners and I think we should be doing them for our friends.
— Marlee Grace

I’ve learned some new information about the person I’m dating that I didn’t know about that’s been happening behind my back - and I have to face this person tomorrow. How do I do that with so much rage in my heart and also stay soft, also stay tender?
— Anonymous caller
What I want to say is to be honest and again, this is so much emotional labor for you, the caller, to have to do for this man, but creating a safe container to be like, it is safe for you to tell me what is going on, I’m not going to shame you, yell at you, etc. If you really love this person, staying in curiosity and wanting to get to know his experience - is this old behavior? Did something trigger this? Why aren’t you telling me the full truth? Why am I having to hear it from other people? There’s something in the container that might not feel safe for that person. Which isn’t your fault, but could mean this person doesn’t have the tools to speak up and say what they need. Set the tone, like, I want to be clear, and really stick to the facts. We can’t overly dress rehearse what the other person’s reaction to us is going to be to us as we’re attempting to create safety in communication
— Marlee Grace

I have been obsessed with work in the pandemic. I don’t always feel like this but right now I’m really obsessed with work and can’t quite seem to figure out how to embrace rest and hobbies and other things. What do I do, how do I take breaks, etc.?
— Anonymous caller
There’s different ways to escape that are nourishing to you in whatever way they are. There’s some people for whom binge watching TV doesn’t feel good. For others it feels great. Finding those restful, fun activities - make a Zoom date with a friend, or yeah, make a list of what isn’t work for you. Make a grey area list, drawing quilts might be a grey area list for me. I like to teach people how to make quilts but messing around and drawing quilts isn’t my job, per se. It isn’t something with a deadline that I’m going to get paid for. It’s integrated into my work and into my job but it’s separate in a lot of ways. Maybe there’s a book you could read that’s about your field of work. Some of you listening might be like, stop giving this person advice that has to do with their work still! But I think it’s really tricky to separate those things, so if you’re really addicted and can’t separate yourself, it’s good to slowly move away from it.
— Marlee Grace

episode fifteen


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Would love to hear your thoughts/advice about the transition to living with a partner. My partner and I have been living together since just before Covid-times, but it’s still an adjustment I think we’re still learning to navigate (especially with the added mix of staying in far more often because of Covid). While there are so many wonderful aspects of it I find people don’t always chat about the parts of it that can be quite challenging. Would love to hear your thoughts about this transition and trying not to lose yourself in it.
— Anonymous caller
My partner, Jackie, and I use the rule “just because I’m in the same room as you, doesn’t mean I’m available.” Bringing in good consent practices to communication and being around each other. Building in comfort around just saying what you need, asking for it, and making sure the other person knows it’s not personal. If anything, it’s in service to the partnership to act in your highest good. Try to stay grateful, like, “wow, I get to live with my hot, cool girlfriend, that’s an amazing thing.” So even when it’s hard I try to channel the gratitude around it and maybe write that down with your partner. Remember all the reasons you are grateful to co-habitate and share space, and then look at, what structures do we need in place to continue and maintain that gratitude?
— Marlee Grace

Where do I find community?
— Anonymous caller
I think that this is a big question for queer people but also a general question. Specifically for people maybe facing some deeper isolation, quarantine, global pandemic feelings of “how do I find my people, new people to be friends with, to date, to be inspired by?” So I want to shout out that there’s a fun event on the internet tonight called Weirdo Night, hosted by the artist Dynasty Handbag. It usually happens at the Zebulon, a popular Los Angeles performance space. Something to freakin’ do tonight. I was attending a thing that was fun with a friend on Zoom, it’s not happening anymore but it was fun to say “I’ll see you there!” so text your friend. As we all continue to look for community, it’s not easy.
— Marlee Grace

I have been sober for a year and during quarantine, relapsed. I’m feeling pretty low and like what’s the point of starting over again? I know I can’t drink but it seems so tempting, especially in isolation. What should I do?
— Anonymous caller
Drinking specifically, it’s been over 9 years since I had a drink, but I didn’t have 9 years as a goal as much as I have today as a goal. I’ve heard, “the person who’s been sober the longest is the person who woke up first today.” I love that idea. Read things by sober people, watch things by sober people - it’s the same as any identity that you might align with that you want to become more familiar with. That year is not wasted. I’m guessing that in that year of sobriety, you practiced a lot of different things that kept you sober. So try them again. Starting over suuuucks, I’ve had to start lots of things over, but it’s also beautiful. What a great invitation that you lived through a relapse, that’s what you called it, that you are still here on Earth, how lucky for you and for all of us.
— Marlee Grace